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Message started by TonyM on 11. Mar 2015 at 13:41

Title: Defibrillator.
Post by TonyM on 11. Mar 2015 at 13:41
Very pleased to see that the new defibrillator has been installed outside the Co-op. 

Thanks to the Parish Council and all concerned.

Title: Re: Defibrillator.
Post by MrPiggs on 11. Mar 2015 at 16:33
great bits of kit and easy to use (we had a session on them at work).

Title: Re: Defibrillator.
Post by Nobody on 11. Mar 2015 at 17:50

TonyM wrote on 11. Mar 2015 at 13:41:
Very pleased to see that the new defibrillator has been installed outside the Co-op. 

Thanks to the Parish Council and all concerned.


Hear hear. :)



Title: Re: Defibrillator.
Post by brooklynodog on 11. Mar 2015 at 19:24
Indeed, let just hope it doesn`t get vandalised by some of  the village`s resident morons

Title: Re: Defibrillator.
Post by MrPiggs on 12. Mar 2015 at 09:19
if they can get into one of those boxes without waking me up it would be a surprise, subtlety and stealth are not the traits of the recent morons larking around!

But once again, a great addition, heart problems are rife, and the first moments of an attack are the most crucial.
Hear is hoping we don't have to use it.

Title: Re: Defibrillator.
Post by marilyn on 13. Mar 2015 at 18:08


Hear, hear, TonyM, Mr. Piggs, Nobody and Brooklynodog-----

With grateful thanks to our Parish Councillors for having this vital piece of equipment installed for the benefit of every living soul within this village as a sincere gesture of keeping things that way----

With my background experience as a Nurse, I'm a little bit embarrassed to ask '---so what do we now do if we need to use it?' ----but hopefully someone could tell me the procedure --- after all, none of us know when we could come across an incident needing us to know just that-----

Title: Re: Defibrillator.
Post by MrPiggs on 13. Mar 2015 at 19:34
When you call 999 the operator decides if you need it and if so can issue you the code for the safe (usually a one time code)  you just run out and get it.  When you open up the box, and turn it on, it gives clear audio instructions on what to do and how to do it.  when the system is set up it is the machine that decides when/if it is needed and what to do, while giving instructions throughout until the emergency services arrive. 
I work for a firm that funded them in public places, malls, and Airports.  I would vouch that anyone can use it (even me me my IQ equating to a grapefruit). ;)

Title: Re: Defibrillator.
Post by MrPiggs on 13. Mar 2015 at 19:34
The operator can see you closest one so they would be aware of it by the way :-)

Title: Re: Defibrillator.
Post by marilyn on 13. Mar 2015 at 20:08


Oh, thank you, Mr Piggs!

I didn't realise that it would be the 999 call which would be the key for opening the box.

That's brilliant------

Along with everyone else, I hope it will never be needed but so reassuring to know the defibrillator is there so that we wouldn't feel helpless while waiting for an ambulance to arrive-----




Title: Re: Defibrillator.
Post by Anvil on 14. Mar 2015 at 22:31

marilyn wrote on 13. Mar 2015 at 18:08:
Hear, hear, TonyM, Mr. Piggs, Nobody and Brooklynodog-----

With grateful thanks to our Parish Councillors for having this vital piece of equipment installed for the benefit of every living soul within this village as a sincere gesture of keeping things that way----

With my background experience as a Nurse, I'm a little bit embarrassed to ask '---so what do we now do if we need to use it?' ----but hopefully someone could tell me the procedure --- after all, none of us know when we could come across an incident needing us to know just that-----

Most of them start talking to you when you open the lid (some older models have a booklet but they should be being replaced by newer "talking guide" models). Just follow the instructions.

There's two basic types - one with a pre-lubed razor and one with a "double sticky" on the pads. One you shave the chest and stick the pads on, one you stick the pads on, rip them off, peel away the first layer from the pads and then re-adhere them to the areas you've "waxed." After that the machine gives you cues to inflate the patient or stand off. Do what the machine tells you then, unless you want zapping.

Obviously, when the machine's ready to be left to get on with it you're on to 999, or whilst you're setting it up someone else is.

Edited to add: I see Piggs has gone some way to explaining this. Thunder amplified, rather than stolen.

Title: Re: Defibrillator.
Post by marilyn on 08. May 2015 at 10:14
A recent incident has made me think that the defibrillator is 'so near, yet so far---'

If a couple are alone in their home and one of them is showing symptoms of a heart attack, the first reaction of the one having to deal with the situation is to dial 999 and stay with the patient while waiting for paramedics and the ambulance to arrive, often with the control room operator remaining on the line to give advice.

It is, therefore, not possible to get to the defibrillator----

I may raise this at the Parish Council meeting on May 21st and ask if there could be a plan devised for this scenario and also ask if there could be a meeting for residents that the equipment itself could be demonstrated and advice given as to how to get third party help if the phone line is still open to the 999 operator----

Title: Re: Defibrillator.
Post by Nobody on 09. May 2015 at 09:22

marilyn wrote on 08. May 2015 at 10:14:
I may raise this at the Parish Council meeting on May 21st and ask if there could be a plan devised for this scenario and also ask if there could be a meeting for residents that the equipment itself could be demonstrated and advice given as to how to get third party help if the phone line is still open to the 999 operator----


This is brilliant idea. I would have thought that many folk would like to see such a demonstration.

Title: Re: Defibrillator.
Post by MrPiggs on 13. May 2015 at 14:12

marilyn wrote on 08. May 2015 at 10:14:
A recent incident has made me think that the defibrillator is 'so near, yet so far---'

If a couple are alone in their home and one of them is showing symptoms of a heart attack, the first reaction of the one having to deal with the situation is to dial 999 and stay with the patient while waiting for paramedics and the ambulance to arrive, often with the control room operator remaining on the line to give advice.

It is, therefore, not possible to get to the defibrillator----

I may raise this at the Parish Council meeting on May 21st and ask if there could be a plan devised for this scenario and also ask if there could be a meeting for residents that the equipment itself could be demonstrated and advice given as to how to get third party help if the phone line is still open to the 999 operator----


Unfortunately i think, the only way of doing this would be to get the code off the operator and contact someone (a neighbour or friend) in the village to do it for you. i stand to be corrected though!

Title: Re: Defibrillator.
Post by marilyn on 13. May 2015 at 17:40


Yes, I agree that sounds like the straight-forward solution, Mr. Piggs but in a state of anxiousness when the emergency services operator is still giving advice in a critical situation it's not always easy to also pick up a mobile and speed dial a friend or neighbour (especially when mobile phone signals are erratic in certain parts of the village.)

It may be a whimsical thought but I wonder if a team of residents could be trained in the use of the defibrillator and volunteer to take it in turns to be on stand-by---- I wonder if it's asking the impossible that the 999 Control Room could hold that information in the same place that they hold the code for the box and the operator could phone one of those volunteers if necessary to render first aid until the paramedics could get there-----

All of that is just me thinking aloud but it's an idea I may put to the Parish Council ----

Title: Re: Defibrillator.
Post by marilyn on 14. May 2015 at 23:11



marilyn wrote on 08. May 2015 at 10:14:
I may raise this at the Parish Council meeting on May 21st


It seems there was an error on the Parish Council's website and the meeting was tonight so I went along and asked if there could be a meeting for interested residents to see a demonstration of the defibrillator in use. Councillor Tony Freeman told me that he is arranging for this to happen and also reiterated what Anvil and Mr. Piggs have said; that the equipment is extremely 'user-friendly' and talks anyone through the procedure.

Title: Re: Defibrillator.
Post by marilyn on 11. Jun 2015 at 16:18


I just walked down to the notice board near Aveline Court and saw that a demonstration of the Defibrillator has been arranged to take place at the Village Hall on Tuesday June 30th at 7.30pm----

(Also, thought I'd mention while I'm here that the Parish Council meets at 7.30pm this evening at the Village Hall---)

Title: Re: Defibrillator.
Post by nononsense on 07. Feb 2016 at 17:52
Does the village have a Community First Responder?

Phil.

Title: Re: Defibrillator.
Post by marilyn on 04. May 2017 at 09:35

MrPiggs wrote on 13. May 2015 at 14:12:

marilyn wrote on 08. May 2015 at 10:14:
A recent incident has made me think that the defibrillator is 'so near, yet so far---'

If a couple are alone in their home and one of them is showing symptoms of a heart attack, the first reaction of the one having to deal with the situation is to dial 999 and stay with the patient while waiting for paramedics and the ambulance to arrive, often with the control room operator remaining on the line to give advice.

It is, therefore, not possible to get to the defibrillator----

I may raise this at the Parish Council meeting on May 21st and ask if there could be a plan devised for this scenario and also ask if there could be a meeting for residents that the equipment itself could be demonstrated and advice given as to how to get third party help if the phone line is still open to the 999 operator----


Unfortunately i think, the only way of doing this would be to get the code off the operator and contact someone (a neighbour or friend) in the village to do it for you. i stand to be corrected though!


Little did I know when this thread was ongoing that there would come a time when the 'so near yet so far' scenario would occur in my home---

Consequently, this issue was on the agenda at a recent Friends of Dene Barton meeting (the members' concerns stretch further than the hospital itself but extend to the local community) which was attended by one of Cotford's Parish Councillors, Tony Freeman.

Due to sharing our concerns, Tony is arranging for leaflets to be produced with instructions regarding accessing and using the defibrillator and he hopes to also arrange a training session re the use of the equipment and administering CPR.

----and you were right, Mr. Piggs---- with the 999 operator stressing I was not to disconnect the call to him until the Paramedics arrived and being prohibited from using my mobile phone to call for additional help because there was no signal, I had to resort to ringing a neighbour's doorbell.

If there's a moral to be found in all this, it's not only to be thankful for good neighbours---it's for each of us also to be one--- We cannot know what any moment will bring and when anyone may need our help--- xx

Title: Re: Defibrillator.
Post by Nobody on 07. May 2017 at 10:35
We must take the opportunity provided by the forthcoming election to press our prospective MPs to improve the Mobile Phone coverage not only in our village but nationally to alleviate this problem. We should also press our local councillors to provide our community with First Responders. Emergency Ambulance response times in my personal experience have failed to achieve their target, taking 25 to 35 mins to arrive.

Title: Re: Defibrillator.
Post by knockman on 08. May 2017 at 21:29
Recent events indicate that the emergency systems are not well joined up. I cannot understand why the defibrillator cannot be remotely unlocked by the emergency controller when they believe this action is called for. We can remotely control house heating so why not the box. We are supposed tobe a socialist country.
This would overcome and resolve the criticism of the mobile phone system. By the way, there is no signal at my house either!
To leave the person, who could be a loved one, to fetch the equipment with all thoughts going through their mind is horrific. Would you ever forgive yourself should you return and find they have passed away. Not always easy to contact a friendly neigbour either as they could be out at work. With more retired people living on there own a rethink of the 'second person' is required.   

Title: Re: Defibrillator.
Post by marilyn on 09. May 2017 at 08:12

knockman wrote on 08. May 2017 at 21:29:
Recent events indicate that the emergency systems are not well joined up. I cannot understand why the defibrillator cannot be remotely unlocked by the emergency controller when they believe this action is called for. We can remotely control house heating so why not the box. We are supposed tobe a socialist country.
This would overcome and resolve the criticism of the mobile phone system. By the way, there is no signal at my house either!
To leave the person, who could be a loved one, to fetch the equipment with all thoughts going through their mind is horrific. Would you ever forgive yourself should you return and find they have passed away. Not always easy to contact a friendly neigbour either as they could be out at work. With more retired people living on there own a rethink of the 'second person' is required.   


With your last sentence, particularly, in mind, Knockman, I think the answer is Taunton Deane's Piper Lifeline system. The press of a button on a pendant sends a call through to their Control Centre in Taunton and they have 'first responders' who will attend and deal with the situation---

Title: Re: Defibrillator.
Post by knockman on 09. May 2017 at 20:45
I was trying to steer clear of this. How does the first responder enter the address if the person is too ill to open the door? its not a free service and there people living in the uk on their own who cannot afford to have such a device. I can think of 3 in grenville who live on their own and do not have this device.  Maybe because they believe it will never happen to them.
Again this comes back to the emergency controller enabling the box remotely and a local first responder group of people, one of whom is 'on call' and alerted, directed to the alarm address. They should arrive well before the 20 minutes for an ambulance.  How do they get in? if the person is on the floor and on their own? As this would be a more official, joined up uk service entry with police in attendance could be made.  Are we reinventing the wheel, is there a country that has a system that can be copied?

This is an important concern and comments made both by Mr Piggs and especially Marilyn experience need progressing.
Once activated the defibrillator 'voice' confidently instructs the first responder, step by step on actions to take.

Title: Re: Defibrillator.
Post by marilyn on 10. May 2017 at 08:39

knockman wrote on 09. May 2017 at 20:45:
I was trying to steer clear of this. How does the first responder enter the address if the person is too ill to open the door? its not a free service and there people living in the uk on their own who cannot afford to have such a device. I can think of 3 in grenville who live on their own and do not have this device.  Maybe because they believe it will never happen to them.
Again this comes back to the emergency controller enabling the box remotely and a local first responder group of people, one of whom is 'on call' and alerted, directed to the alarm address. They should arrive well before the 20 minutes for an ambulance.  How do they get in? if the person is on the floor and on their own? As this would be a more official, joined up uk service entry with police in attendance could be made.  Are we reinventing the wheel, is there a country that has a system that can be copied?

This is an important concern and comments made both by Mr Piggs and especially Marilyn experience need progressing.
Once activated the defibrillator 'voice' confidently instructs the first responder, step by step on actions to take.


The Deane Helpline operates on the basis of providing cover for emergency calls 24 hours a day and the householder's key can be kept securely stored at their Control Centre in Taunton. True, there is a cost for the service which may not be affordable to some people but, in my own experience of working as a part of this team a few years ago, relatives would often foot the bill as the peace of mind it gave them knowing that help could be summoned at any time was invaluable---

It would be great if there was a team of 'first responders' in the village but, as you point out, Knockman, access to the property could be restricted if the call came from someone living alone who was too ill to unlock the door---

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